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Pluto
Los Angeles, California, United States
I'm the co-founder and CEO of Pluto, a brand that specializes in creating quality products and experiences that elevate your comfort and sleep space. Our flagship product, the Pluto Pillow, is the first and only sleep pillow that's built-to-order based on your body stats, how you sleep, and what you like. Pluto combines both data and a human touch through a patented process to craft the perfect pillow for optimal rest and recovery. Today, we're excited to continue expanding into new product categories – developing new innovations that help you rest better, so you can feel and live better every day.
I'm the co-founder and CEO of...
Pluto Pillow is the first and only sleep pillow that's custom-built to your body stats, how you sleep, and what you like. We leverage data through a proprietary process to help all sleepers take the guesswork out of pillow shopping and to maximize their sleep.
Pluto Pillow is the first and...
Pluto launched in just 11 months with a basic sleep position questionnaire, knowing it wasn't perfect. They deliberately got the product into customer hands quickly, then used feedback loops to refine their algorithm. Within two years, this approach helped them cut return rates from 13% to under 6% - proving that rapid iteration beats extended development cycles when you have a learning system in place.
When comfort is subjective and personal, authentic customer stories become your most powerful marketing asset. Pluto sees one in five customers come from existing customer referrals - not through aggressive incentive programs, but because passionate users naturally evangelize products that solve real problems. They amplify this by letting customer comments and reviews drive engagement on press pieces and paid ads rather than relying solely on brand messaging.
Pluto's quiz isn't just helping customers find their product - it's systematically collecting the data points (body stats, sleep positions, preferences, past experiences) that feed their machine learning algorithm. Each customer interaction improves the model, creating a compounding advantage. The questionnaire balances precision (gathering meaningful data) with accessibility (not overwhelming users who don't know what they want).
Pluto didn't expand into adjacent products randomly - they listened to specific customer requests (travel sleep solutions, lounging pillows) and identified gaps in their users' broader sleep and recovery journey. The Pluto Pod (travel pillow) and Pluto Puff (body pillow) emerged from understanding their customers' full lifestyle needs, not just extending a product line for growth's sake.
In a commoditized industry, press needs new stories to tell. Pluto strategically times new product launches to generate media coverage (Condé Nast, CNN features for the Pluto Pod), which then drives customer acquisition. Rather than constantly pushing their core product, they create newsworthy moments that reinforce brand positioning while reaching new audiences.
Unlike subscription or replenishment models, pillows are infrequent purchases. Pluto addresses this by building a product ecosystem (sleep pillow, travel pillow, body pillow, upcoming wellness products) that increases touchpoints with customers over time. This ecosystem strategy allows them to maintain customer relationships beyond a single purchase occasion while staying true to their sleep and recovery positioning.
Pluto uses AI in customer support to handle initial inquiries trained on hundreds of thousands of tickets, allowing their small team to scale efficiently. But they're thoughtful about not over-claiming "AI" capabilities - they use machine learning on the backend for pillow customization but maintain human oversight because the accuracy isn't there yet for fully automated recommendations. This pragmatic approach focuses on operational efficiency rather than AI as a marketing buzzword.
In this episode of Consumer Builders, host Andres Figueira interviews Susana Saeliu, Co-founder & CEO of Pluto. Pluto is attacking the $15 billion pillow market with a radically different approach: custom-built pillows based on 5 billion data points about how people actually sleep. In an industry where consumers typically buy and return 7+ pillows before finding one that works, Pluto has reduced return rates from 13% to under 6% through machine learning-driven customization. Through strategic product expansion and sophisticated data collection, they’ve built a lean team of 12 that has grown over 100% year-over-year while maintaining 200,000+ fiercely loyal customers who drive one in five new sales through organic referrals.