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Susana Saeliu from Pluto:

Making Commoditized Products Custom: The Data Collection Strategy

Susana Saeliu

Co-founder & CEO

Company

Pluto

Location

Los Angeles, California, United States

Bio

I'm the co-founder and CEO of Pluto, a brand that specializes in creating quality products and experiences that elevate your comfort and sleep space. Our flagship product, the Pluto Pillow, is the first and only sleep pillow that's built-to-order based on your body stats, how you sleep, and what you like. Pluto combines both data and a human touch through a patented process to craft the perfect pillow for optimal rest and recovery. Today, we're excited to continue expanding into new product categories – developing new innovations that help you rest better, so you can feel and live better every day.

I'm the co-founder and CEO of...

description

Pluto Pillow is the first and only sleep pillow that's custom-built to your body stats, how you sleep, and what you like. We leverage data through a proprietary process to help all sleepers take the guesswork out of pillow shopping and to maximize their sleep.

Pluto Pillow is the first and...

Actionable Takeaways

Start With an MVP That Captures Core Value, Then Refine With Data:

Pluto launched in just 11 months with a basic sleep position questionnaire, knowing it wasn't perfect. They deliberately got the product into customer hands quickly, then used feedback loops to refine their algorithm. Within two years, this approach helped them cut return rates from 13% to under 6% - proving that rapid iteration beats extended development cycles when you have a learning system in place.

Turn Your Most Passionate Users Into Your Distribution Channel:

When comfort is subjective and personal, authentic customer stories become your most powerful marketing asset. Pluto sees one in five customers come from existing customer referrals - not through aggressive incentive programs, but because passionate users naturally evangelize products that solve real problems. They amplify this by letting customer comments and reviews drive engagement on press pieces and paid ads rather than relying solely on brand messaging.

Design Your Questionnaire as Both CX Tool and Data Collection Engine:

Pluto's quiz isn't just helping customers find their product - it's systematically collecting the data points (body stats, sleep positions, preferences, past experiences) that feed their machine learning algorithm. Each customer interaction improves the model, creating a compounding advantage. The questionnaire balances precision (gathering meaningful data) with accessibility (not overwhelming users who don't know what they want).

Build a Multi-Product Strategy Around Core Customer Insights, Not Just SKU Expansion:

Pluto didn't expand into adjacent products randomly - they listened to specific customer requests (travel sleep solutions, lounging pillows) and identified gaps in their users' broader sleep and recovery journey. The Pluto Pod (travel pillow) and Pluto Puff (body pillow) emerged from understanding their customers' full lifestyle needs, not just extending a product line for growth's sake.

Use Product Launches to Create Press Moments in Mature Categories:

In a commoditized industry, press needs new stories to tell. Pluto strategically times new product launches to generate media coverage (Condé Nast, CNN features for the Pluto Pod), which then drives customer acquisition. Rather than constantly pushing their core product, they create newsworthy moments that reinforce brand positioning while reaching new audiences.

Optimize for Customer Lifetime Value Through Product Ecosystem, Not Transaction Frequency:

Unlike subscription or replenishment models, pillows are infrequent purchases. Pluto addresses this by building a product ecosystem (sleep pillow, travel pillow, body pillow, upcoming wellness products) that increases touchpoints with customers over time. This ecosystem strategy allows them to maintain customer relationships beyond a single purchase occasion while staying true to their sleep and recovery positioning.

Leverage AI Tactically Where It Creates Real Value, Not Strategically for Marketing Purposes:

Pluto uses AI in customer support to handle initial inquiries trained on hundreds of thousands of tickets, allowing their small team to scale efficiently. But they're thoughtful about not over-claiming "AI" capabilities - they use machine learning on the backend for pillow customization but maintain human oversight because the accuracy isn't there yet for fully automated recommendations. This pragmatic approach focuses on operational efficiency rather than AI as a marketing buzzword.

Conversation Highlights

In this episode of Consumer Builders, host Andres Figueira interviews Susana Saeliu, Co-founder & CEO of Pluto. Pluto is attacking the $15 billion pillow market with a radically different approach: custom-built pillows based on 5 billion data points about how people actually sleep. In an industry where consumers typically buy and return 7+ pillows before finding one that works, Pluto has reduced return rates from 13% to under 6% through machine learning-driven customization. Through strategic product expansion and sophisticated data collection, they’ve built a lean team of 12 that has grown over 100% year-over-year while maintaining 200,000+ fiercely loyal customers who drive one in five new sales through organic referrals.

Topics Discussed:

  • Building a data-driven customization engine with 5+ billion data points
  • Achieving product-market fit in a commoditized category dominated by one-size-fits-all solutions
  • Leveraging customer passion to drive 20% of sales through organic referrals
  • Expanding from a single SKU to a multi-product sleep wellness brand
  • Using machine learning to reduce return rates by over 50% compared to industry standards
  • Transitioning from DTC-only to selective retail partnerships (MoMA Design Store)
  • Creating press-worthy product launches in mature categories
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