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Alex Bodnar from Thirdlove:

Why All Legal Problems Are People Problems

Alex Bodnar

Chief Legal & People Officer

Company

Thirdlove

Location

San Francisco, California, United States

Bio

I am a business-minded, collaborative, pragmatic and hand-on legal, people & culture executive. I am a solver of complex problems who is comfortable with unpredictability and works well under pressure, a proven leader, a skilled negotiator, and a gifted communicator. I have a strong track record of providing sound judgment, thoughtful analysis, and constructive advice on legal, ethics, personnel, and compliance matters. I build strong cross-functional teams that work well together and make things happen. My goal is to drive organizational success while operating within legal and ethical boundaries and cultivating a high-performance workplace culture that fosters creativity, continuous improvement, and mutual respect.

I am a business-minded, collaborative, pragmatic...

description

Thirdlove is a female-founded lifestyle brand that offers elevated essentials, including bras, undies, loungewear, lingerie, and bra-sized swimwear, designed by women. Co-founders Heidi Zak and Ra’el Cohen set out to revolutionize the bra shopping experience, focusing on creating products that make customers look and feel amazing while addressing common problems. The resulting solution-driven designs get Bra-blems Solved™–with style.

Thirdlove is a female-founded lifestyle brand...

Lessons For People Leaders:

Merge Legal and People Functions for Proactive Culture Building

Alexandra operates on the principle that "all legal problems are people problems," which led her to combine both functions under one leadership role. This integration allows her to address cultural and interpersonal issues before they become legal concerns. By having employment law expertise embedded in people strategy, she can design policies, performance management, and conflict resolution frameworks that prevent escalation. This dual-hat approach also delivers cost efficiency—one C-suite salary instead of two—while creating faster decision-making and more cohesive risk management across the organization.

Build Universal Development Plans, Not Just Promotion Tracks

ThirdLove requires every employee to maintain an Individual Employee Plan (IEP) regardless of whether they're up for promotion or where they are in their career trajectory. Alexandra personally reviews all IEPs and has conversations about long-term strategy and planning with employees. This systematic approach ensures continuous development discussions happen proactively rather than reactively. The framework keeps career growth top of mind organizationally and addresses the post-COVID employee priority shift toward learning opportunities over perks and social events.

Design Cross-Functional Interview Processes for Collaborative Cultures

Because ThirdLove operates with high cross-functional collaboration, their interview process extends beyond direct team members. Candidates meet people from completely different business areas to assess collaborative fit across the organization. While this creates a longer interview timeline than typical processes, it ensures new hires can work effectively across departments. This approach frontloads culture fit assessment and reduces mismatches that only surface after someone starts working cross-functionally.

Structure Hybrid Work Around Product Needs, Not Blanket Policies

ThirdLove maintains core in-office days (Tuesdays and Wednesdays) specifically because they're a product-driven company where teams need to touch, feel, and discuss physical products together. This targeted approach recognizes that certain work requires in-person collaboration while other functions can operate remotely. They support both US-based and international remote employees, requiring everyone to be adept at both in-person and virtual collaboration. This model balances operational needs with flexibility rather than applying one-size-fits-all remote policies.

Replace Large Social Events with Micro-Engagement Moments

Based on consistent employee survey feedback, ThirdLove shifted away from traditional happy hours and large company events. Instead, they implement short, interactive activities—30-minute projects like making friendship bracelets for cancer patients or quick food gatherings. This acknowledges post-COVID behavioral shifts where employees, particularly younger workers and those with families, prioritize going home over extended social commitments. The strategy maintains connection without demanding significant time investment outside core work hours.

Encourage AI Experimentation Within Risk Guardrails

Rather than prescribing specific tools, Alexandra encourages employees to experiment with AI tools (both general platforms like ChatGPT/Gemini and function-specific solutions) to improve job efficiency. She provides education on risks—particularly avoiding tools that train on company data—but maintains that being too risk-averse prevents innovation leadership. This balanced approach empowers employees to find tools that work for their specific roles while maintaining necessary security boundaries. The strategy positions the organization to adapt quickly to emerging technologies rather than lagging behind due to overly cautious policies.

Balance Internal Development with Strategic External Hiring

ThirdLove maintains clear promotion paths and invests in internal development, but Alexandra acknowledges when external expertise is necessary—particularly for disruptive changes like AI capabilities. Rather than forcing internal-only promotion policies, she takes a dual approach: build strong development systems for existing talent while recognizing when the organization needs skills that don't exist internally. This pragmatic framework ensures the company can both retain and develop current employees while accessing specialized expertise when market shifts demand new capabilities.

Conversation Highlights

Why All Legal Problems Are People Problems

In this episode of Heart of the Brand, host Sam interviews Alexandra Bodnar, Chief Legal and People Officer at ThirdLove. ThirdLove demonstrates how combining legal and people functions creates a proactive cultural framework that prevents problems before they escalate. As an employment lawyer who transitioned into dual leadership, Alexandra has built a system where legal risk mitigation and people strategy work in tandem—resulting in a collaborative, mission-driven culture that scales across hybrid teams. Her approach proves that treating “all legal problems as people problems” creates stronger preventative systems than traditional reactive HR models, particularly for founder-led companies navigating product innovation and rapid market shifts.

Topics Discussed:

  • Combining legal and people operations into a unified leadership function for proactive problem-solving
  • Building mission-driven culture in consumer brands that attracts talent beyond the target customer demographic
  • Designing hybrid work models that balance product collaboration needs with distributed team flexibility
  • Creating Individual Employee Plans (IEPs) for every employee regardless of promotion timeline or seniority
  • Implementing cross-functional interview processes to assess collaborative fit across departments
  • Adapting employee engagement strategies for post-COVID workforce priorities (career growth over social events)
  • Encouraging AI tool experimentation while managing data security and risk mitigation
  • Scaling internal promotion pathways while strategically hiring external expertise for emerging capabilities
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